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Question: Will PIPC Investors ever get their money back?
You Kidding? That money is now probably in a numbered Swiss bank account. - 15 (32.6%)
Never. No one will ever find it for us. - 5 (10.9%)
No way, our Government will let this issue die - 3 (6.5%)
Maybe some of it, but definitely not all of it - 19 (41.3%)
Yes, but it may take years - 1 (2.2%)
Yes, Miracles Come True - 3 (6.5%)
Total Voters: 42

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« on: August 03, 2007, 05:02:17 AM »

so what do you think?  Submit your opinion by voting and then post a reply to tell us why you think so.

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 05:25:21 AM »

I very much doubt there is any money to recover. I thought it was a pyramid scheme 6 years ago, I tried telling a lot of people, but nobody listened, so there you have it. The HUGE commissions that they paid were the tell-tale sign, and aside from seizing assets from the remaining sales people, and splitting that up between investors, I don't think there will be anything forthcoming.

If Tina Gonzalez-Tuason made a couple of million in commissions, and there are a few other people that made a Million between them, that's maybe $3M to sieze, but that would represent about 1.5% of the amount invested, so if you invested $100,000 you might be lucky to get back $1,500.00.

Good luck, but justice can probably only be served by putting people behind bars for a long time.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2007, 02:46:27 AM »

I very much doubt there is any money to recover. I thought it was a pyramid scheme 6 years ago, I tried telling a lot of people, but nobody listened, so there you have it. The HUGE commissions that they paid were the tell-tale sign, and aside from seizing assets from the remaining sales people, and splitting that up between investors, I don't think there will be anything forthcoming.

Not to rub salt on the wounds of the investors, but due to my curious nature (I am an ardent student of financial bubbles, scams and mania) I just want to ask you SMBeer, what was the motivation for these people you advised to disregard your sensible advice? Was it greed?

If Tina Gonzalez-Tuason made a couple of million in commissions, and there are a few other people that made a Million between them, that's maybe $3M to sieze, but that would represent about 1.5% of the amount invested, so if you invested $100,000 you might be lucky to get back $1,500.00.

Wow. That's a large liquidation indeed. Even specialists that buy distressed companies' debts are still able to buy them for an 80% discount compared to your assessment of just getting back 1.5%.

Good luck, but justice can probably only be served by putting people behind bars for a long time.

The only way for these to stop is vigorous enforcement of the law and better investor education.

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2007, 04:26:33 AM »


Not to rub salt on the wounds of the investors, but due to my curious nature (I am an ardent student of financial bubbles, scams and mania) I just want to ask you SMBeer, what was the motivation for these people you advised to disregard your sensible advice? Was it greed?

Yes, it was partly greed, but it was also ignorance, trust of the salesperson, and being duped by the glitz and glamour of the company. I have been giving finacial advice for over 20 years, but the people I advised not to didn't know me (much, or very long), so why trust someone they don't know more than someone they do know? ...Human nature?


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Wow. That's a large liquidation indeed. Even specialists that buy distressed companies' debts are still able to buy them for an 80% discount compared to your assessment of just getting back 1.5%.

My assessment is not related to the distressed company, because that was just a smoke screen. My assessment is based on the possibility (slim I think) of being able to hold sales people accountable, and I would not be surprised if they haven't already, they wil be rapidly transferring their assets into family, friends and untouchable corporations names.

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The only way for these to stop is vigorous enforcement of the law and better investor education.

Better education comes when people learn from their mistakes too, I would venture to suggest that there have been a lot of lesson learned here, but then again, there's another expression "There's one born every minute."

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 11:16:37 AM »

if we don't, may Michael H.K. Liew rot in hell, if he doesn't i'll make sure he does when I see him there.... Angry

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 01:03:46 AM »

Yup, what can I say? I still believe in miracles...

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 01:14:53 AM »

so what do you think?  Submit your opinion by voting and then post a reply to tell us why you think so.

yes, but only those who sign up with the Abbas Law Group legal recovery efforts - for the very simple reason that only ABN Amro has the money to pay us back.  Ferrier Hodgson is barking up the wrong tree - looking for assets hidden by Michael Liew, etc..  This was a Ponzi Scheme / Pyramid Scam, which means that when you rob Peter to pay Paul, the money is distributed down the line, and nothing is left for the original investor. So I have no idea what Ferrier Hodgson is trying to accomplish - they will not find any more substantial amounts anywhere as those are gone.

Now, had this been a case of simple fraud, where Michael Liew and Albert Chua simply took everyone's money and started hiding them in various bank accounts, then it would be a totally different story, and FH would be on the right track.  But, unfortunately, this is not such a case.  In Ponzi Schemes and Pyramid Scams, the money just trickles as far down as it can go, until there is no more money to go to the next guy.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 10:42:29 AM »

I really dont think so.  I hope when Michael dies, it would be slow and painful death! so goes for that albert chua!

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2007, 12:30:24 PM »

....the guy had a plan...he'll get ten days in the can for stealing the golden an...shucks...i shoulda ran.... Undecided
mortymootmope...you couldnt touch him with a forty-foot-rope....sesame street logic dudes:0

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2008, 10:26:46 PM »

There are more chances now of this miracle coming true.

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 09:47:23 AM »

Believe in the power of the multitude.  If majority of us believed that it will be returned, then it just might happened due to the positive vibes we are sending out.

Miracles DO happen!!

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